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Submarine Detector SQ

19 Aug 1921
Establishment of the Submarine Detector SQ
Whereas there was this day read at the Board a memorial from, the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 8th day of August, 1921 (N. 9293 /21), in the words following, viz. :

And whereas we consider that the extended use in Your Majesty's Navy of devices for the Detection of Submarines warrant the institution of special non-substantive pay, for ratings qualified as 'Submarine Detectors.

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction payment as from the 17th September, 1919, of the following rates of non-substantive pay to ratings of Your Majesty's Navy (including the Coast Guard and other ratings employed on Submarine Detection duties at Shore Stations) qualified as Submarine Detectors:

  • Submarine Detector Instructor ... 1s. a day.
  • Submarine Detector 1st class ... 6d. a day.
  • Submarine Detector 2nd class ... 3d. a day.

Miscellaneous notes on the Submarine Detector rating. During the war, circa 1917/8, a school was established at Portland, Dorset, to train operators in the use of use of the hydrophone as an anti-submarine appliance, following a short course at the Crystal Palace to select those who were considered suitable.

Volunteers were drawn from the seamen branch. An aural test was to be conducted periodically at the various depots by the medical officer of HMS SAREPTA, the depot-ship of the Portland School, with the assistance of depot medical officers.

In the first instance, 60 submarine detectors are required, and these men are to be drafted to the new school for training in batches of 12, one batch every three months.

As regards the men already training at the school, any who are found unsuitable for submarine detection duties are to be exchanged for suitable volunteers under the new scheme. The old allowance of 4d. a day for detection duties may continue to be paid to demobilizable ratings who have not qualified for submarine detector first class : but any permanent men in receipt of the old allowance who fail to qualify for this new rating on or before March 1, 1920, will be required to revert to the grade of submarine detector second-class, at 3d. a day, or be relieved of detection work altogether.


1928 06 26
SQ - Reorganisation of the Submarine Detector Branch
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 15th day of June, 1928.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 24th day of May, 1928, (N. 1296/28), in the words following, viz.:

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions, and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas Your Majesty was pleased, by Your Order in Council bearing date the 10th day of August, 1921, to authorize the institution of special non-substantive pay for ratings qualified as Submarine Detectors

And whereas we deem it expedient to reorganise the Submarine Detector Branch and to revise the rates of non-substantive pay granted to these ratings:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction payment of the following amended rates of non-substantive pay to ratings of Your Majesty's Navy qualified as Submarine Detectors :

  • Submarine Detector Instructor, ... 1a. 3d. a day.
  • Submarine Detector 1st Class, ... 6d. a day.
  • Submarine Detector 2nd Class, ... 3d. a day.
  • Submarine Detector Operator, ... 3d. a day.

Men below Petty Officer grade to hold the rating of Submarine Detector Operator in addition to any other Submarine Detector rating for which they may be qualified.

The revised rates to be payable to ratings who first qualify as Submarine Detector Operators on or after the 1st July, 1928.

Men already holding Submarine Detector ratings on that date to be transferred to the new scheme as opportunities occur for taking the necessary courses.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M, P. A. Hankey.


1928 07 14
Telegraphist Detector Allowance
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 14th day of August, 1928.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 27th day of July, 1928, in the words following, viz.:

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted inter alia, that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas we deem it expedient that an allowance, to be termed Telegraphist Detector Allowance, should be paid to ratings of the Telegraphist branch who are qualified and employed as Submarine Detector operators in submarines:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the institution of a Telegraphist Detector Allowance of 3d. a day and of a Higher Telegraphist Detector Allowance of 6d. a day to be paid to those Telegraphist ratings who are actually detailed for the duties in vacancies in the complements of submarines.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M, P. A. Hankey.


1936 07 10
Re-organised - Submarine Detectors SQ
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 3rd day of July, 1936.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Hoard a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 25th day of June, 1936 (N. 1755/36) in the words following, viz.:-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted inter alia that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas by an Order in Council of His late Majesty bearing date the 15th day of June, 1928, sanction was given to the payment of revised rates of non-substantive pay for ratings qualified as Submarine Detectors:

And whereas we deem it expedient to alter the titles at present applied to these ratings and to revise further the rates of non-substantive pay granted to them

And whereas by Order in Council bearing date the 14th day of August, 1928, provision is made for the payment of allowances to ratings of the Telegraphist branch who are qualified and employed .as Submarine Detectors in submarines

And whereas we consider that titles should be introduced for these Telegraphist rating's:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in, Council, to sanction, the undermentioned titles and rates of non-substantive pay and allowances for ratings of Your Majesty's Navy qualified as Submarine Detectors :

  a day.
  s. d.
Submarine Detector Instructor 1 6
Telegraphist Detector Instructor 1 3
Higher Submarine Detector 0 9
Higher Telegraphist Detector 0 6
Submarine Detector 0 6
Telegraphist Detector 0 3

Men below Petty Officer rate holding the non-substantive rating of Higher Submarine Detector to receive 3d. a day in addition to the revised rate of 9d. a day.

Payment for Higher Telegraphist Detector or Telegraphist Detector to be made only to those Telegraphist ratings who are actually detailed for the duties in vacancies in the complements of submarines.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M. P. A. Hankey.


1937 08 06
Telegraphists - Detector Allowances in Submarines
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 29th day of July, 1937.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 9th day of July, 1937 (N. 4880 / 37), in the words following, viz.:-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted inter alia that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas under Orders in Council of 14th August, 1928, and 3rd July, 1936, allowances of 6d. and 3d. a day respectively were authorised for ratings of the Telegraphist Branch when qualified and detailed to perform the duties of Higher Telegraphist Detector or Telegraphist Detector in vacancies in the complements of submarines:

And whereas we consider that all Telegraphist ratings duly qualified should be paid the appropriate allowance as above continuously while they remain in the submarine service:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction payment accordingly.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
E. C. E. Leadbitter.


1938 08 05
Non-Substantive pay for Submarines Detectors
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 28th day of July, 1938.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 21st day of July, 1938 (N. 829 / 38), in the words following, viz.:-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas by Order in Council bearing date the 3rd day of July, 1936, sanction was given for certain revised rates of non-substantive pay for ratings - qualified as Submarine Detectors:

And whereas we are of opinion that the duties required to be performed by ratings holding the non-substantive rating of Submarine Detector Instructor justify remuneration at the rate of 1s. 9d. a day:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction the increase of pay accordingly, effect to be given from a date to be determined by us.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
E. C. E. Leadbitter.


1944 01 25
Coastal Forces - Submarine Detector
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 20th day of January, 1944.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 13th day of December, 1943 (N. 20905/43), in the words following, viz.:-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman, or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas we consider it expedient to recruit men specially to carry out the duties of Submarine Detectors in Coastal Forces:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council, to sanction for the duration of the war the institution of the following non-substantive ratings with pay as indicated:

Submarine Detector (C.F.). 3d. per day.  
Higher Submarine Detector (C.F.). 9d. per day. for Leading Seamen and Able Seamen.
  6d. per day. for Petty Officers.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in the above proposals.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
E. C. E. Leadbitter.


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