Engine Room Artificers trained in Hydraulics - Option to Transfer to Ordnance Artificer Branch
1921 12 12
Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty dated 21 November, 1921 (N. 22518/1920), in the words following, viz.:
And whereas we consider that the experience of Engine Room Artificers of Your Majesty's Navy trained in Hydraulics would be specially valuable in the new Ordnance Artificer Branch instituted by Your Majesty's Orders in Council of the 22nd January and 13th October, 1920, and that such Engine Room Artificers who volunteer, when required to transfer to Ordnance Artificer should be compensated for loss of the Engines Room Artificer Certificate Allowances referred to in Section C of your Order in Council of the 17th May, 1920:
We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the scheme described in the attached Schedule.
The Lords Commissioners, of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.
1. A lump sum to be paid at the outset to each Hydraulic Engine Room Artificer transferring to the Ordnance Artifice Branch who was in receipt of the Watchkeeping Allowance of 1s. per diem before transfer.
2. An Engine Roam Artificer transferring to the new Branch who would probably have obtained the Watchkeeping Certificate in due course to be considered eligible for the compensation, but where the certificate would probably not have been secured the compensation to be withheld.
3. The sum payable to men in their first engagement to be the present value of the amount of the allowance payable in respect of the remaining period of their first engagement (the rate of interest bang taken at 5 per cent. per annum) subject to the deduction specified at (4).
4. From the amount due under (3) a deduction of 5 per cent, to be made (to allow for possible loss to the Crown due to the death, &c., of men who have received capitalised sums paid in advance). A similar deduction also to be made from the amount to be paid on reengagement.
5. On completing his first engagement and re-engaging a man to become entitled to the present value of the allowance of £18 5s. per annum for 10 years, the amount to be paid on re-engaging, in every case to be £75, less a deduction of 5 per cent., the balance with interest at 5 per cent. per annum, being paid on completion of the engagement:
6. Hydraulic Engine Room Artificers serving under a second engagement to be paid on transfer the full amount payable in respect of the remaining period of the engagement, subject to a maximum of £75 (less deduction of 5 per cent.), the balance, with interest, at 5 per cent. per annum, being paid on completion of the engagement. Hydraulic Engine Room Artificers serving under a third engagement to receive on transfer the amount payable in respect of the remaining period of their engagement less a deduction of 5 per cent.
7. Compensation also to be allowed for the additional allowance of 1s. a day for which Chief Engine Room Artificers are eligible and to be calculated from the estimated date on which advancement to Chief Engine Room Artificer would have occurred had the man remained in the Engine Room Artificer Branch. The whole of the compensation in this respect to be paid when the man completes time for pension, with the exception specified under (8).
8. If the date of advancement to Chief Engine Room Artificer would have been prior to completion of first engagement, the compensation in respect of the additional Chief Engine Room Artificer allowance for the remaining period of the first engagement to be paid on completing that engagement.
9. A proportionate amount of the compensation for any unexpired period to be recovered in full or in part at the discretion of the Admiralty from men discharged by purchase or promoted to Warrant or Commissioned Rank.
10. The amount of prepaid bonus for any unexpired period of service of men discharged for misconduct, &c., or deserting is be met. as far as possible out of any balance of pay, &c.
11. No recoveries to be made in the case of men discharged dead or invalided.
12. The final instalment not to be due to any man who fails to complete time for pension; but payment may be granted in deserving cases at Admiralty discretion.
13. The scheme not to apply to men likely to be invalided, but in cases of special hardship the Admiralty to be able to award reduced amounts.
14. The scheme to apply to Hydraulic Engine Room Artificers of satisfactory character in the Royal Navy on the 23rd February, 1921, and to Ordnance Artificers transferred from Hydraulic Engine Room Artificer on or before that date, or within a period of three months thereafter.
1945 08 10
Engine Room Artificers (ex-Ordnance Artificers) Gratuities
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 3rd day of August, 1945.
Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.
Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 21st day of June, 1945 (N. 13068/39), in the words following, viz.:-
Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman, or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:
And whereas Order in Council dated the 13th December, 1921, authorised monetary awards in the form of lump sum payments at certain prescribed periods, to Ordnance Artificers, voluntarily transferred from Engine Room Artificers, as compensation for the consequential loss of the allowances of 1s. a day in each case for the Engine Room Watchkeeping and Charge Certificates which they either held or might have been expected to gain in the normal course had they remained in their original Branch:
And whereas provision was not made in the aforesaid Order in Council for any compensation to such Ordnance Artificers who, after having completed time for pension, have been retained or mobilised for further service in consequence of the present war:
And whereas we consider that these ratings should receive further compensation for the loss of certificate allowances during the period of their war service:
We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction the award to such ratings on their discharge or demobilisation of a lump sum payment representing the capitalised value of the certificate allowances with interest at 3 per cent. for the period of their service from the 3rd September, 1939, or date of mobilisation, as the case may be, until the termination of hostilities or date of discharge, whichever is the earlier.
The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals.
His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.
And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
E. C. E. Leadbitter.
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