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1907 11 08
Engineer Lieutenants on the Senior List
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 2nd day of November, 1907.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the fifteenth day of October, one thousand nine hundred and seven, in the words following, viz.:-

Whereas by section three of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions and other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Royal Marine Forces to a person being or having been an Officer, seaman or marine therein, shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council

And whereas we have had under our consideration the question of the conditions under which an allowance of from one shilling to two shillings and sixpence a day is at present payable to Engineer Lieutenants on the Junior List of Your Majesty's Navy when employed as Senior Engineers in Ships in commission of three thousand indicated horse-power and upwards

And whereas we are of opinion that this allowance should be payable also to Engineer Lieutenants on the Senior List when similarly employed

We therefore beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to empower us, as from the first day of October, one thousand nine hundred and seven, to pay this allowance to Engineer Lieutenants on the Senior List under the same conditions as at present apply to Engineer Lieutenants on the Junior List

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed. And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
W. FitzRoy.



1908 01 03
Engineer Commander borne for Fleet Duties on the China Station: Extra Remuneration

At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 21st day of December, 1907.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the thirteenth day of December, one thousand nine hundred and seven, in the words following, viz.:

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, etc.

And whereas we have had under our consideration the duties performed by the Engineer Commander borne for Fleet duties on the China station:

And whereas we are of opinion that the nature and responsibility of those duties merit recognition by the grant of extra remuneration:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction an allowance of five shillings a day in addition to full pay being granted to the Officer in question so long as no Engineer Captain is borne for Fleet duties on the China station, such allowance to take effect from the first day of April, one thousand nine hundred and seven.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal

His Majesty having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, etc.
W. FitzRoy.


1911 08 18
Lieutenants of the Military Branch as Engineers - Allowances
And whereas in the regulations for the entry of Officers in Your Majesty's Naval Service it is provided that Officers required for the performance of Engineering duties shall in future be selected from Lieutenants who will form part of the Military Branch of Your Majesty's Navy.

And whereas we have had under consideration the allowances to be granted to Officers so selected for Engineering duties.

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction payment of the following allowances to Officers who in future qualify in Engineering when actually borne for the performance of their special duties, viz.:

 

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Lieutenant who has passed the practical course of Engineering 4 0 a day
Lieutenant who has passed the higher scientific course of Engineering 5 0 a day
Commander who, as Lieutenant, has passed the practical course of Engineering 5 0 a day
Commander who, as Lieutenant, has passed the higher scientific course of Engineering 7 0 a day
Captain who, as Lieutenant, has passed the higher scientific course of Engineering 7 0 a day in addition to command money at the rate of 5s. a day

Charge pay to an Officer in charge of the machinery of a ship, Senior Engineers' Allowance and Flag Allowance to be paid as at present.


1913 06 20
Engineer Commander on staff of Senior Officer of Training Squadron - Allowance
And whereas we have found it necessary to appoint an Engineer Commander for duty on the staff of the Senior Officer of the Training Squadron for boys, but without the actual charge of the machinery of one of Your Majesty's ships, which would have entitled him to receive charge pay under the authority of an Order in Council bearing date the 29th day of June, 1900:

And whereas we consider that the duties and responsibilities devolving upon this officer are such as to merit the grant of an allowance in lieu of charge pay:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction payment to him of an allowance of 5s. a day as from the 17th of March, 1913, inclusive.


1914 10 30
Engineer Officers entered for the period of Hostilities - Pay and Conditions of Service
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 26th day of October, 1914.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 21st day of October, 1914, in the words following, viz.:

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions, or other allowances in the nature thereof, payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman, or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner, and subject to such restrictions, conditions, and provisions, as are from time to time directed by Order in Council :

And whereas we have found, it necessary to enter a certain number of Engineer Lieutenants and Engineer Sub-Lieutenants for temporary service in Your Majesty's Fleet during the period of hostilities, under the authority conferred by Your Majesty's Order in Council of the 30th September, 1914:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that' Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by your Order in Council, to sanction the Regulations for such Officers set forth in the annexed Schedule.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals.

Schedule.

Engineer Lieutenants and Engineer Sub-Lieutenants for Temporary Service.

1. Pay.- The scale of pay to be as follows:

Engineer Lieutenants - 14s. 0d. a day.
Engineer Sub-Lieutenants 9s. 0d. a day.

Charge pay to be on the same scale and under the same. conditions as for Officers of corresponding rank on the Permanent List of the Royal Navy.

2. Equipment Allowance to be as follows:

Engineer Lieutenants - 40.
Engineer Sub-Lieutenants - 30.

3. Pensions.- Officers who may receive hurts or wounds whilst on active service or whilst performing their duties to receive pensions and allowances on the same scale as that applicable to Officers of corresponding rank on the Permanent List of the Royal Navy in similar circumstances.

4. Widows' Pensions and Compassionate Allowances to Children to be granted on the same scale and under the same conditions as those applicable to the Widows and Children of Officers of corresponding Rank on the Permanent List of the Royal Navy.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed. And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy.


1915 01 08
Engineer Branch now to be classified as part of the Military Branch
And whereas in Article 168 of the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service it is laid down that the Officers of Your Majesty's Navy are to be divided into six branches, viz.-

Military, Engineer, Medical, Accountant, Naval Instructor, and Artisan

And whereas we are of opinion that it is desirable in the interests of Your Majesty's Naval Service that the Officers of the Engineer Branch should now be classified as part of the Military Branch, and, further, that certain alterations should be made in the rates of pay of Engineer Commanders and Engineer Lieutenant-Commanders of Your Majesty's Fleet:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to approve of the Regulations set forth in the annexed Schedule, to take effect from the 1st day of January, 1915.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals in so far as the pay of the Officers is concerned.

Schedule.

  1. From the 1st day of January, 1915, Officers of His Majesty's Navy will be divided into five Branches, namely Military, Medical, Accountant, Naval Instructor, and Artisan.
  2. Officers of the existing Engineer Branch, although forming part of the Military Branch, will retain their present titles.
    • They will not be eligible to take command of His Majesty's Ships
      In all details relating to the duties of the Fleet and to the discipline and interior economy of His Majesty's Ships they will be subject to the authority of any Officer who may be in charge of the Executive duties of the Ship, or acting as Officer of the Watch, or specially detailed for the charge of any other special service or duty, of whatever seniority such Officer may be.
  3. The following revised rates of pay to take effect for Engineer Commanders and Engineer Lieutenant-Commanders as specified :-
    • Engineer Commander and Engineer Lieutenant Commander after 4 years from date of promotion to Engineer Lieutenant-Commander 1 0s. 0d. per diem.
    • Engineer Commander and Engineer Lieutenant; Commander after 6 years from date of promotion to Engineer Lieutenant-Commander 1 2s. 0d. per diem.

1915 03 02
Officers borne for Engineering Duties during the period of hostilities - Allowances
And whereas by Order in Council, bearing date the 8th day of August, 1911, Your Majesty was pleased to sanction the payment of allowances to Officers actually borne for the performance of Engineering Duties, subject to their having passed certain courses in Engineering :

And whereas these courses have been suspended during the present state of hostilities, and it is therefore necessary to make provision for the performance of Engineering Duties by Officers who may not have passed the specified courses, but who should nevertheless be eligible to receive the authorized allowances :

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the payment during the period of hostilities of the allowances authorized for the performance of Engineering Duties to such Officers, subject to such conditions as regards practical training as we may deem necessary.


1915 07 06
Pay - Temporary Engineer Sub-Lieutenants
And whereas by Your Majesty's Order in Council, bearing date the 26th day of October, 1914, it is provided that Engineer Sub-Lieutenants entered for temporary service shall receive pay at the rate of 9s. a day :

And whereas this rate of pay has been found to be insufficient in certain cases of candidates aver the age of 24 years whom it is desired to enter in that rank :

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to approve of Engineer Sub-Lieutenants for temporary service over 24 years of age being granted pay of from 9s. to 12s. a day, at our discretion.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.


1915 07 30
Engineer Commanders temporarily retained in their ships on promotion - Senior Engineers' Allowances
And whereas by Order in Council of His late Majesty, of 2nd November, 1907, it is provided that Engineer-Lieutenants on the Senior List (now Engineer Lieutenant Commanders) should receive an allowance of from 1s. to 2s. 6d. a day when employed as Senior Engineers in Ships in Commission of 3,000 Indicated Horse Power and upwards:

And whereas we consider that Engineer Commanders who are temporarily retained in their ships on promotion to that rank should continue to receive this allowance after promotion.


1916 01 14
Engineer Officers entered for Hostilities - Transfer to the Permanent List
And whereas by Your Majesty's Order in Council, of 26th October, 1914, sanction was given for the Entry of Engineer-Lieutenants and Engineer Sub-Lieutenants for temporary service in Your Majesty's Fleet during the period of Hostilities

And whereas, in order to meet the needs of Your Majesty's Navy, we deem it desirable to make provision for the transfer to the Permanent List of certain of these Officers who may be considered suitable

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by your Order in Council, to sanction the transfer of such Temporary Engineer Officers to the Permanent List of Your Majesty's Fleet, in such numbers, and under such conditions as regards pay, as we may determine in consultation with the Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury.


1916 02 04
Extra Pay for Engineer Officer or Rating in charge of engines at Wireless Telegraph Stations
And whereas the responsibilities devolving on the Ranks or Ratings in charge of the machinery of Vessels in Your Majesty's Fleet are recognized by the grant of certain allowances:

And whereas we are of opinion that the responsibilities entailed by the charge of engines at certain of Your Majesty's Wireless Telegraph Stations abroad are deserving of similar recognition

We beg leave humbly to recommend the. Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to authorize us to grant, at our discretion, Charge Pay at the, rate of 1s. a day to the Engineer Officer or Rating in charge of engines at Your Majesty's Wireless Telegraph Stations abroad, such authority to take effect as from the 1st October, 1915.


1917 06 29
Senior Engineer's Allowance
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 28th day of June, 1917.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 12th day of June, 1917, in the words following, viz.:

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, etc.

And whereas by the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service an Allowance of 1s. to 2s. 6d. a day is payable, at our discretion, in Ships of 3,000 indicated horse power and upwards, to the Senior Engineer Officer, if not above the rank of Engineer Lieutenant-Commander, or to the Chief Petty Officer of the Engine Room acting as such:

And whereas we consider that in certain special types of Vessels, such as Repair Ships, and Depot Ships, payment of this Allowance should not be dependent solely upon the power of the propelling machinery :

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to authorize us to grant, at our discretion, and as from the 18th May, 1917, Senior Engineer's Allowance in exceptional cases in which the indicated horse power of the main machinery of the ship or establishment may be less than 3,000; the rate of the Allowance in such cases to be half the rate of charge pay which is payable to the Engineer Officer in charge of the machinery of the Ship or Establishment.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed. And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy.


1918 01 01
Engine Room Ratings in charge of the machinery in Small Craft - Allowance
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 21st December, 1917.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 7th December, 1917, in the words following, viz. :

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions, or other allowances in the nature thereof, payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman, or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner, and subject to such restrictions, conditions, and provisions, as are from time to. time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas the responsibilities devolving on certain Engine Room Ranks and Artificers in charge of the machinery of Vessels in Your Majesty's Fleet are recognised in some instances by the grant of allowances :

And whereas the necessity has arisen for placing Engine Room Ratings, other than Artificers, in charge of the machinery in Small Craft, and we are of opinion that the responsibilities and duties of such Engine Room Ratings are deserving of similar recognition :

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to authorize us to grant, at our discretion, an allowance of 6d. a day to Engine Room Ratings (including Motor Mechanic and Motor Boat Ratings) who are placed in charge of the machinery of Small Craft, whether steam or motor driven, the horse power of which exceeds 100, such Allowance not to be payable in respect of boats forming part of the equipment of H.M. Ships or of Vessels maintained in reserve.

We would further submit that this proposal may take effect as from the 3rd day of October, 1917.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy


1918 02 05
Engineer-Commanders remaining in the same appointment on promotion to Engineer Captain - Allowances
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 5th February, 1918.

Present, The King's Most Excellent, Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 24th January, 1918, in the words following, viz.:

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions, or other allowances in the nature thereof, payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman, or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner, and subject to such restrictions, conditions, and provisions, as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas we consider that, in the event of an Engineer-Commander remaining in the same appointment on promotion to Engineer Captain, he should continue in receipt of any Allowances he was receiving in the lower rank

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the continued payment of such Allowances for so long as the Officer continues to hold the same appointment, with effect as from the 1st day of November, 1917.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy.


1918 12 20
Junior Engineer Officers appointed for Instructional duties - Allowances
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 18th December, 1918.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 13th day of December, 1918, in the words following, viz.:

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pap and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions, or other allowances in the nature thereof, payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being, or having been, an Officer, Seaman, or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner, and subject to such restrictions, conditions, and provisions, as are, from time to time, directed by Order in Council:

And whereas His late Majesty was graciously pleased by His Order in Council bearing date the 21st December, 1907, to authorize the payment of a special allowance of 2s. a day to the Junior Engineer Officers appointed for Instructional duties in the Mechanical Training Establishments for Boy Artificers and Mechanicians:

And whereas we are of the opinion that the allowance should also be granted to Junior Engineer Officers appointed for Instructional duties in the Training Establishments for Stokers, and other Engine Room Ratings :

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the extension of this allowance accordingly, with effect from the 1st day of April, 1918.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy


18 May 1920
Engineer Lieutenants promoted to that rank for long and zealous service
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 17th day of May, 1920.

And whereas, under the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service it is provided that an Engineer Lieutenant shall pass a professional examination in order to qualify him for advancement to the rank of Engineer Lieutenant-Commander:

And whereas we are of opinion that this condition should not apply in the case of Engineer Lieutenants promoted to that rank for long and zealous service:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to authorize us to waive the regulation quoted in the case of Engineer Lieutenants promoted to that rank for long and zealous service, with retrospective effect from the 1st day of February, 1919 :

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.


1922 12 19

Acting Sub-Lieutenants selected to specialise in Engineering - Pay
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 14th day of December, 1922.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the. Admiralty, dated the 8th-day of December, 1922 (C.W. 11958/22), in the words following, viz.

And whereas Your Majesty was graciously. pleased by Your Order in Council, of 22nd January, 1920, to provide, inter alia, that Sub-Lieutenants of the Engineering Branch should be paid at the rate of 13s. per day:

And whereas we are of opinion that Acting Sub-Lieutenants who have been selected to specialise in Engineering and who possess the necessary qualifications should be paid at the same rate:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to approve of such Acting Sub-Lieutenants being granted pay at the rate of 13s. a day.


1934 07 13
Senior Officers - Pay & Allowances whilst attending courses
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 29th day of June, 1934.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 23rd day of June, 1934, (C.W. 5197/34), in the words following, viz. :

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, infer alia, that all pay, pensions, or other allowances in the nature thereof, payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman, or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner, and subject to such restrictions, conditions, and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas Your Majesty was graciously pleased by Your Orders in Council bearing dates 25th March, 1920 and 16th April, 1924, to approve payment of an allowance at the rate of 2 a day in addition to Half Pay, together with Lodging Allowance in the event of accommodation not being available, to Flag Officers and Officers of the Engineer Branch of corresponding rank while undergoing courses:

And whereas attendance at these courses is no longer regarded as voluntary, but as an ordinary Naval Duty, to which the Officers are appointed in the same manner as Officers of lower rank who receive full pay and appropriate allowances while undergoing courses:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to approve of Flag Officers and Officers of the Engineer Branch of corresponding rank when appointed for courses of instruction receiving the full pay of their rank and the appropriate rates of provision allowance, and lodging allowance when accommodation is not provided.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M. P. A. Hankey.


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