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Extra Pay, Hard Lying Money, and Miscellaneous Allowances

LG 1909 08 17
And whereas we consider that the rates of Extra Pay and the conditions for the payment thereof as set forth in Chapter XXXVIII of the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service require amendment in order to adapt them to present conditions, and that it is also desirable to extend the regulations as regards certain other allowances:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction the payments set forth in the following schedules, and also to empower us to award new Store Allowances at our discretion, subject to the prior sanction of Your Majesty's Treasury in each case.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals.

Schedule A.

Scales of Extra Pay.

Class of Work and circumstances in which Extra Pay may be paid.

Ranks and Ratings.

Rate to each Person per Diem.

     

s.

d.

I. General work. At the discretion of the Commander-in–Chief or Senior Officer, in particular cases, while employed to execute any work

1.

Lieutenants of the Navy and Officers of corresponding or superior rank

3

0

2.

Sub-Lieutenants and Officers of corresponding rank; Warrant and Subordinate Officers

2

0

3.

Chief Petty Officers. Petty Officers (N.S.), Petty Officers, 1st class (O.S.), Sergeants of Marines, and Artizans when employed at their trades

1

3

4.

2nd class Petty Officers, Corporals of Marines, Leading Seamen, Able Seamen, Stokers, Artizans not employed at their trades (not being Chief Petty Officers, Petty Officers (N.S.), or Petty Officers 1st class (O.S.) ), and others whose substantive pay is not less than 1s. 7d a day.

1

0

5.

Ordinary Seamen, Privates, R.M. and others of the Ship's Company

0

9

6.

Boys

0

3

II. Engineering work; while employed on manual labour in:
(a) Repairing the machinery or boilers or
(b) Other engineering work of ships

7.

Engineer Lieutenants (Junior List)

6

0

8.

Engineer Sub-Lieutenants

5

0

9.

Chief Artificer Engineers and Artificer Engineers

4

0

10.

Chief Engine-room Artificers or Chief Electricians

3

6

11.

Engine-room Artificers or Electricians

3

0

12.

Mechanicians

2

6

Artizans employed at their trades

13.

Chief Carpenter's Mates

2

6

14.

Carpenter's Mates

2

3

15.

Leading Shipwrights, Shipwrights, and Chief Armourers

2

0

16.

Stokers and all other men employed as Mechanics

1

6

17.

Other Artizans

1

3

Artizans shall include all Men employed as such, whatever their ratings may be on the Ship's Books, viz.:- As Carpenters, Sailmakers, Blacksmiths, Coopers, Armourers, Shipwrights, Plumbers and Painters.

16 Schedule B.

Hard-lying Money in Torpedo Boats and Torpedo Boat Destroyers.

Class of ship and circumstances in which payable. Rate.
Torpedo Boats As provided in Schedule A, Class I
In commission.
Not in commission

* Undergoing refit, &c., but payment to be subject to prior Admiralty sanction in each case
Torpedo Boat Destroyers Half the rates provided Schedule A Class I
In commission
Not in commission:

* Undergoing refit, &c., but payment to be subject to prior Admiralty sanction in each case

* This provision to have effect as from 1st June, 1907.

Schedule C.

Miscellaneous Allowances.

Ship or Establishment.

Rank of Officer.

Particulars of Payment to be authorised.

Mechanical Training Establishments:

Fisgard:  
Indus:  
Tenedos:  

Carpenter Officer Allowance of 2s. 6d. a day for supervision of Artizan Ratings to be paid continuously as from the following dates:

     22nd May, 1908
     1st June, 1908
     3rd June, 1908

These allowances to supersede those payable under Order in Council of 2nd February, 1884, to Carpenters of the Guard Ships of Reserve for 6 days in the week; and to cover the responsibility in connection with any stores which may be in the Officers' charge.

H.M. Ships

Lieutenant

Senior Allowance for performing Senior Duties before commissioning at the rate now payable in the particular ship after commissioning with the exception that in a ship commanded by a Captain in which a Commander is allowed but not borne the allowance shall be increased from. 1s. 6d. to 2s. 6d. a day for such period before commissioning as the Commander is not borne.

* Extra Pay to an Accountant Officer in the absence of Office Staff.

Article 1471 of the Regulations for the government of the Naval Service which authorizes payment of Extra Pay to an Accountant Officer when his Office Staff is absent from the ship through sickness to be amended so as to admit of payment being made, at Admiralty discretion, when the Staff is incapacitated for duty by sickness but remains on board.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed. And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy.


1909 11 30
Extra Pay - Ascension Island
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 22nd day of November, 1909.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated 17th November, 1909, in the words following, viz.:

Whereas by section three of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, etc.

And whereas by an Order in Council of Her late Majesty, of 29th November, 1884, the continuous payment of extra pay at rates varying from one shilling to one shilling and sixpence a day was authorized for Petty Officers, seamen and marines borne on ship's books for service at Ascension Island :

And whereas we consider it desirable that in the case of an Engine Room Artificer or Chief Carpenter's Mate or other person holding a rating of the same class who may be borne for such service the payment of continuous extra pay should be at the rates ordinarily payable in Your Majesty's Naval Service for the class of work upon which they are engaged :

And whereas the regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service as amended by Your Order in Council bearing date the 10th August, 1909, do not provide for the payment of extra pay continuously at such rates :

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction the continuous payment, at our discretion, to any Engine Room Artificer or Chief Carpenter's Mate or other person holding a rating of the same class, who may be employed at Ascension Island, of extra pay at the rates appropriate to the rating, as authorized under Schedule A, Class II, of Your Order in Council bearing date the 10th August, 1909, to have effect as from the 1st January, 1908.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed. And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy.


1937 06 11
Allowances for Serving in MTBs
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 8th day of June, 1937.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 22nd day of April, 1937 (N. 3329/37) in the words following, viz :-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted inter alia that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas we have had under consideration the conditions under which Officers and men are called upon to serve in Motor Torpedo Boats:

And whereas we are of opinion that some pecuniary allowance should be made to them in consideration of the discomforts caused by such service:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty will be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction, as from 1st January, 1937, the issue of extra pay continuously at one half of the rates .laid down in the Regulations for the payment of extra pay for general work.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M. P. A. Hankey.


1938 07 29
Extra Pay for Personnel Serving in Minesweepers
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 28th day of July, 1938.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 18th day of June, 1938 (N. 3303/38), in the words following, viz. :-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas, in consideration of the discomforts caused by service in Motor Torpedo Boats, authority was given by Order in Council of 8th June, 1937, for the issue to personnel of these vessels of extra pay continuously at one half of the rates laid down in the Regulations for the payment of extra pay for general work:

And whereas the conditions under which Officers and men are called upon to serve in Motor Minesweepers are comparable to those in Motor Torpedo Boats and we are therefore of opinion that they should also receive this extra remuneration:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty will be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction payment accordingly.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M. P. A. Hankey.


1940 12 27
Extra Work Pay - Stokers
At the Court art Buckingham Palace, the 19th day of December 1940.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 6th day of December, 1940 (N. 19376 / 1940), in the words following, viz.:-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted inter alia that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas under the authority of Order in Council dated the 27th May, 1920, extra duty pay for ratings in respect of General Work is authorised at the rate of 1s. per diem to Stokers, 2nd class (Continuous Service) and at the rate of 9d, per diem to Stokers, 2nd class (Non-continuous Service or Special Service):

And whereas there is no longer any reason why extra pay should be paid to Stokers, 2nd class, non-continuous Service at lower rates than those received by Stokers, 2nd class, Continuous Service:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to approve payment of extra pay for General Work at the rate of 1s. a day to all Stokers 2nd Class.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty's having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, .by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein, proposed</P>

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Rupert B. Howorth.


1940 12 27
RN Buglers - Extra Pay
At the Court at Buckingham. Palace, the 19th day of December, 1940.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 12th day of December, 1940 (N. 16600/40), in the wards following, viz. :-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted inter alia that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas by Order in Council, dated the 15th October, 1894, payment of extra pay was authorized to Boys from date of qualification as Bugler:

And whereas we are of opinion that Buglers trained from Ordinary Seamen entered for service until the end of the period of the present emergency in Training Establishments should be paid extra pay of 1d. a day from date of qualification as Bugler:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty maybe graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to authorise the payment of extra pay accordingly.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury shave signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Rupert B. Howorth.


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