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Hard-Lying Money

1913 10 17
And whereas by Orders in Council bearing date the 2 April, 1909, and 10 August, 1909, sanction was given for the payment of hard-lying money to officers and men serving in Your Majesty's ships, subject to the condition that when the vessel concerned was above the status of torpedo boat destroyer payment was to be restricted to occasions when the vessel was not in commission:

And whereas we have found it necessary to direct that in future ships undergoing trials whose navigating parties are supplied in whole or in part from Your Majesty's Navy are, as a rule, to be temporarily commissioned for the purpose:

And whereas the arduous conditions attendant upon service with a navigating party or in a ship undergoing trials are in no way affected by this decision:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction the payment, as from 31st July, 1913, of hard-lying money at the rates and under the conditions set forth in the following Schedule in place of Schedule E of Order in Council of 2nd April, 1909, and Schedule B of Order in Council of 10th August, 1909.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

Schedule.

Hard-Lying Money.

All officers and men (including those belonging to record parties and those appropriated for service in any particular vessel) to be entitled to hard-lying money at the rates set forth in the following Schedule whilst actually living on board His Majesty's ships and vessels in the circumstances specified:

Class of Ship and Circumstances under which Payable.

Rate.

  • Torpedo Boats In commission
  • Not in commission:
  • During trials or cruises or when manned by a Navigating Party.*
  • Undergoing refit, &c., but payment to be subject to prior Admiralty sanction in each case.

As provided under Class I, Schedule A, Order in Council, 10th August, 1909.

  • Torpedo Boat Destroyers:
  • In commission.
  • Not in commission
  • When manned by a Navigating Party, or undergoing Steam, Gunnery, Torpedo, &c., trials.
  • Undergoing refit, &a, but payment to be subject to prior Admiralty sanction in each case.
Half the rates, provided under Class I. Schedule A, Order in Council, 10th August, 1909.
All other ships not in commission, when manned by a Navigating Party, or undergoing Steam, Gunnery, Torpedo, &c., trials, or when temporarily commissioned for trials.

Half the rates provided under Class I, Schedule A, Order in Council, 10th August, 1909.

* Applicable also at Admiralty discretion to vessels for auxiliary services, e.g. dredgers.


1914 12 01
Hard-Lying Money - Steam Tugs and various other small Vessels
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 28th day of November, 1914.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 18th day of November, 1914, in the words following, viz.:

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, etc.

And whereas the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service authorize the grant of Hard-Lying Money to Officers and Men serving in Torpedo Boats and Torpedo Boat Destroyers in or out of Commission, and in other Ships in Commission only when temporarily commissioned for steam trials, etc.:

And whereas during present hostilities we have found it necessary to engage and to commission certain Steam Tugs and various other small Vessels in which the conditions of service are as arduous, and the employment as deserving of extra remuneration, as in the Torpedo Craft above-mentioned :

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the payment of Hard-Lying Money, at our discretion, at the rates authorized for service in Torpedo Boats or Torpedo Boat Destroyers respectively, to Officers and Men employed in small Vessels commissioned for present War Service, subject to the following conditions:

  1. That the accommodation on board is not superior to that on a Torpedo Boat or a Torpedo Boat Destroyer
  2. That persons specially engaged for the service at inclusive rates of pay shall not be granted Hard-Lying Money
  3. That the allowance be paid only for the duration of the War or the necessary continuance of war conditions
  4. That the ranks and ratings to whom the allowance is paid live and sleep on board the vessels.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed. And the Right Honourable they Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy.


1921 03 15
Hard-Lying Money - Tugs, Trawlers, Drifters and various other small Vessels
And whereas the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service authorize the grant of Hard Lying Money to Officers and men serving in Torpedo Boats and Torpedo Boat Destroyers in or out of Commission, and in other ships in Commission only when temporarily commissioned for steam trials, etc.:

And whereas by Order in Council of 28th November, 1914, sanction was given for the payment of Hard Lying Money to Officers and men serving in various other small craft employed during the present war period:

And whereas we have found it necessary to retain for future service certain of the above mentioned small craft:

And whereas the arduous conditions of service in such small craft, and in others which it may be necessary to employ from time to time, and in captured and escorted vessels, may render payment of Hard Lying Money equally justifiable:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the continued payment of Hard Lying Money, at our discretion, at the rates authorized for service in Torpedo Boats or Torpedo Boat Destroyers respectively, to Officers and men employed in Tugs, Trawlers, Drifters, China Gunboats, Patrol Gunboats, 'P' and ' P.C.' Boats, Sloops, Motor Launches, Small Monitors, Salvage Vessels, Whalers, Minesweepers, Motor Lighters, Surveying Ships, Captured and Escorted Vessels, and in such other small vessels as we may from time to time deem advisable, subject in the last instance to the prior consent of the Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury, and subject to the following conditions.

  1. That the accommodation on board is not superior to that on a Torpedo Boat or a Torpedo Boat Destroyer:
  2. That persons specially engaged for the service at inclusive rates of pay shall not be granted Hard Lying Money
  3. That the vessels are employed mainly on sea service:
  4. That the ranks and ratings to whom the allowance is paid live and sleep on board the vessels
  5. That the rates authorized for service in Torpedo Boat Destroyers shall be paid to Officers in cases only in which the living and sleeping conditions are superior to those in Torpedo Boats, but markedly inferior to those in Torpedo Boat Destroyers.

1923 03 16
HLM for Submariners
And whereas the payment of Submarine Allowance was approved by Order in Council dated the 4th November, 1901, the rates being subsequently modified by Your Majesty's Orders in Council of 28th July, 1915, 22nd January, 1920, and 13th October, 1920:

And whereas the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service authorize the grant of Hard Lying Money to Officers and men serving in certain vessels:

And whereas we consider that the rates of Submarine Allowance should be revised, and that in view of the nature of the employment payment of Hard Lying Money should be extended to Officers and men serving in Submarines:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to approve the proposals set forth in the accompanying schedule, with effect from 19th May, 1922.

Schedule.

Submarine Allowance to be granted to Officers and men serving in the Submarine Service as follows:-

I. Officers.

Rank. 0fficers forming part crew

Officers of the rank of Captain when appointed in command of a Submarine ... 6s.

If above the rank of Sub-Lieutenant and below the rank of Captain ... 6s.

If of, or below, the rank of Sub-Lieutenant ... 3s

Officers appointed to Submarine Depot Ships for Duty Class II with Submarines, i.e., Officers who have certain duties with Flotillas which are not considered to justify payment of the continuous allowances shown below for Officers appointed for duty Class I and Officers not appointed for Submarine duty when actually at sea in Submarines :

 

For each day at sea in Submarine.

For each day not at sea in Submarine.

If above the rank of Sub-Lieutenant and below the rank of Captain

6s.

 

If of, or below, the rank of Sub-Lieutenant

3s.

 

Officers appointed to Submarine Depot Ships for duty Class I with Submarines

   

If above the rank of Sub-Lieutenant and below the rank of Captain

3s. 9d.

2s 6d.

If of, or below, the rank of Sub-Lieutenant

2s. 3d.

1s 6d.

Officers forming part of spare crews

   

If above the rank of Sub-Lieutenant and below the rank of Captain

6s.

4s.

If of, or below, the rank of Sub-Lieutenant

3s.

2s.

Officers undergoing Periscope Course

   

If above the rank of Sub-Lieutenant and below the rank of Captain

6s.

4s.

If of, or below, the rank of Sub-Lieutenant

3s.

2s.

Officers under training

   

If above the rank of Sub-Lieutenant

6s.

Nil.

If of, or below, the rant of Sub-Lieutenant

3s.

Nil.

II. Ratings.

Ratings forming part views of Submarines

 

Payable continuously.

Ratings above A.B. and equivalent ratings

 

3s. 9d.

A.B.'s and equivalent Ratings

 

3s.

Ordinary Seamen and equivalent ratings

 

2s. 3d.

Boys

 

1s. 1d.

When appointed to Depots as spare crews or undergoing courses in Schools

For each day at sea in Submarine.

For each day not at sea in Submarine.

Ratings above A.B. and equivalent ratings

3s. 9d.

2s. 6d.

A.B.'s and equivalent ratings

3s.

2s.

Ordinary Seamen and equivalent ratings

2s. 3d.

1s. 6d.

Boys

1s. 1d.

9d,

Ratings under training

New Rate.

 

Ratings above A.B. and equivalent ratings

3s 9d.

Nil.

A.B.'s and equivalent ratings

3s.

Nil.

Ordinary Seamen and equivalent ratings

2s. 3d.

Nil.

Boys

1s. 1d.

Nil.

2. In cases of sickness payment to be made at Admiralty discretion.

3. Hard Lying Money at full rates under the rules laid down in the Regulations and Admiralty Instructions is to be granted to officers and men serving in Submarines.


1928 11 06
Hard Lying Money to Officers and Men employed in Surveying Ships
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 1st day of November, 1928.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 10th day of October, 1928 (N.P. (1) 2835/28), in the words following, viz. :

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman, or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas Your Majesty was graciously pleased by Your Order in Council bearing date the 9th day of March, 1927, to sanction subject to certain conditions the payment of Hard Lying Money to Officers and Men employed in various small craft, including Surveying Ships:

And whereas under one of the conditional prescribed in that Order, Hard Lying Money may not be paid to Officers unless the living and sleeping conditions on board are markedly inferior to those in Torpedo Boat Destroyers:

And whereas the aforesaid condition is not fulfilled in Surveying Ships, but we are nevertheless of opinion that do view of the inevitable discomfort of service in such ships abroad Hard Lying Money should be paid to such of the Officers of those vessels as are not in receipt of Surveying Pay

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order is Council, to empower us, at our discretion, and with effect from the 1st day of April, 1928, to grant Hard Lying Money at the rates authorised for service in Torpedo Boat Destroyers to such of the Officers serving in Surveying Ships abroad as are not in receipt of Surveying Pay, provided that

  1. they actually live and sleep on board the vessels,
  2. the vessels are mainly employed on sea service, and
  3. the living and sleeping conditions are not superior to those in Torpedo Boat Destroyers.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M, P. A. Hankey.


1932 10 07
Hard Lying Money - Qualifications
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 1st day of October, 1932.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 8th day of September, 1932 (N. 3294/3Q), in the words following, viz. :-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions, or other allowances in the nature thereof, payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been, an Officer, Seaman, or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner, and subject to such restrictions, conditions, and provisions, as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service authorise the grant of Hard-Lying Money to Officers and men serving do certain vessels

And whereas the admissibility to payment and the rates of payment in particular vessels have been judged hitherto by the following standards :

  1. if the living and sleeping conditions are not superior to those in a Torpedo Boat on normal service-full rates are payable;
  2. if the living and sleeping conditions are superior to those in a Torpedo Boat but are markedly inferior to those in a Destroyer on normal service - half rates are payable.

And whereas Torpedo Boats are no longer in existence in the Royal Navy, and a satisfactory comparison with the conditions obtaining therein is now impracticable

And whereas we consider it necessary to establish a modern standard which would allow of direct comparison between the living and sleeping conditions in any vessel by the light of that standard

And whereas we find that a suitable standard for comparison would be obtained by taking a Trawler as the type for full rates instead of a Torpedo Boat:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty will be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the adoption of the following new standards :

  1. when the living and sleeping conditions are not superior to those experienced in a Trawler on normal service - full rates;
  2. when the living and sleeping conditions are superior to those experienced in a Trawler but are markedly inferior to those in a Destroyer on normal service - half rates.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M. P. A. Hankey.


1936 10 30
HLM - Trawlers
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 27th day of October, 1936.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 18th day of August, 1936 (N. 3649/36), in the words following, viz.:-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted inter alia that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas under the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service Hard-Lying Money is issued to the personnel on board certain vessels where the accommodation is below the usual naval standard, payment in respect of some vessels being restricted to periods during which they are employed mainly on sea service:

And whereas the accommodation in two such vessels in Your Majesty's Navy, viz. the Trawlers Vernon and Kate Lewis at all times falls below the recognised naval standard, to the discomfort of the personnel on board, and we are therefore of opinion that Hard-Lying Money should be payable continuously in those vessels:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction the payment of Hard-Lying Money, at half rates, to the Officers and ratings on board those trawlers for the periods during which they are not in receipt of the full allowance, payment being made as from the 1st April, 1936.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in the above proposals.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M. P. A., Hankey.



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