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Locally Entered Personnel

Native Ratings - Pay

1908 06 12
Kroomen Pay
And whereas by an Order in Council of Her late Majesty bearing date the 6th February 1882, additional pay of one penny a day was granted to Kroomen employed in Your Majesty's ships on the East Coast of Africa, whereby their rate of pay was fixed at one shilling a day:

And whereas We consider it advisable that this rate of pay should be extended to all Kroomen serving in Your Majesty's Fleet:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction the rate of pay being extended accordingly as from the 1st April 1908, with retrospective effect to cover certain cases in which it has been found necessary to grant the increased rate prior to that date.


1908 11 27
Lascar ratings - discipline
At the Court at Windsor Castle, the 21st day of November, 1908.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the fourth day of November, one thousand nine hundred and eight, in the words following, viz. :

Whereas by section three of the Naval and Marine Pay .and Pensions Act, 1865, etc.

And whereas we consider that it would be to the benefit of Your Majesty's Naval Service that Lascar ratings should be subject within certain limits to forfeiture of pay for misconduct.

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to direct that the pay of Lascar ratings shall be subject to the condition that in the event of any Lascar rating misconducting himself the pay which he shall .receive may be reduced to the following extent and no further, namely, not more than five days' pay in respect of any one or more offences punished at anyone time, or ten days' pay in all within the space of anyone calendar month, the word ‘pay' for the purpose of these rules being understood to include full pay and full pay allowances whether already accrued or not.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, etc.
A W. FitzRoy.


1910 06 07
Extra Pay for Kroomen, Seedies, & Goanese etc
At the Court at Saint James's, the 31st May, 1910.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated 11th May, 1910, in the words following, viz. :

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, etc.

And whereas under Chapter XXXVIII of the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service extra pay at various rates is authorized to be paid to Officers, Petty Officers, Men and Boys of Your Majesty's Navy when employed on extra duty

And whereas we are of opinion that the rates of extra pay therein laid down are in some. instances unnecessarily high when the extra duty is performed by the native ratings (Kroomen, Seedies, Goanese, &c.) employed in Your Majesty's ships on foreign stations

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to authorize us to pay such rates of extra pay in the case of native ratings, within the limits laid down in the above mentioned Regulations for European ratings, as we may from time to time determine.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed, and the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy.


1913 10 17
Stoppages of Pay
And whereas by His late Majesty's Order in Council, bearing date the 21st day of November, 1908, approval was given for the pay of Lascar ratings to be subject to certain reductions in the event of misconduct:

And whereas We consider that it would be to the benefit of Your Majesty's Naval Service if the provisions of the above-mentioned Order in Council were made applicable to all naval ratings of Colour

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to direct that the pay of Lascar or other Coloured ratings shall be subject to the condition that in the event of any Coloured rating misconducting himself the pay which he shall receive may be reduced to the following extent, and no further, namely, not more than five days' pay in respect of any one or more offences punished at any one time, or ten days' pay in all within the space of any one calendar month, the word 'pay' for the purpose of these rules being understood to include full pay and full pay allowances whether already accrued or not.


1914 06 23
Establishment of CPO or Head Tindal of Seedies
At the Court at Windsor Castle, the 18th day of June, 1914.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 15th day of June, 1914, in the words following, viz.:

Whereas by section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, etc.

And whereas we consider it desirable to establish a Chief Petty Officer rate of Head Tindal of Seedies with pay at the rate of two shillings and three pence per diem.

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction the establishment of this rate with pay accordingly.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed. And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy.


1921 10 14
Locally Entered Personnel - Pay
Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated 14 September, 1921 (N.13529/21), in the words following, viz.:

Your Order in Council to sanction payment as from the dates indicated of the rates of pay indicated in the attached schedule, power being reserved, to us to vary the rates within the scale laid down or to associate payment with such conditions as may be deemed necessary.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals.

Schedule

Native Ratings - Pay

To take effect from the 14th May, 1919.

Seedie.

 

Pay Rate per diem.

Minimum.

Maximum.

s.

d.

s.

d.

Seedie

1

0

1

5

2nd Tindal

1

6

1

8

Tindal

1

9

2

2

Head Tindal

2

3

2

6

Seedie Stoker

1

4

1

9

2nd Stoker Tindal   

1

10

2

0

Stoker Tindal

2

1

2

6

Rising by 1d. per diem biennially.

To take effect from the 15th October, 1919.

Kroomen

 

Rate Pay per diem.

s.

d.

Krooman

1

3

2nd Head Krooman

1

8

Head Krooman (except in Battleships or Cruisers)

2

0

Head Krooman (in Battleships or Cruisers)

2

3

Krooman employed on shore to receive an additional 3d. a day.


1922 10 17 - Pensions & Gratuities
And whereas Your Majesty was graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council bearing date the 7th February, 1921, to sanction, inter alia, an improved scale of Long Service Pension to Petty Officers, Non-Commissioned Officers and Men of Your Majesty's Royal Navy and Royal Marines

And whereas Your Majesty was further graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council dated the 6th February, 1922, to sanction an improved scale of pensions and gratuities to Petty Officers, Non-Commissioned Officers, Seamen, Marines and Boys, who, consequent on wounds, hurts, or disability, are invalided from Your Majesty's Naval Service:

And whereas we have had under our consideration the Regulations governing the grant of Naval Pensions for long service, or on invaliding, to Native Petty Officers and men, other than Europeans, of Your Majesty's Naval Service, and are of opinion that the grant of pensions and gratuities at the full rates allowable by Your Majesty's Orders in Council of 7th February, 1921, and 6th February, 1922, is inexpedient:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction, with retrospective effect from 1st April, 1919, the following modifications in the rates and scales of pensions or gratuities when they are applied to natives, other than Europeans, who are entitled thereto under existing regulations:

  1. The basic scale of long service pension to be three farthings a day for each complete year of pensionable service, instead of three halfpence.
  2. Disability pensions or gratuities to be at one half of the amount ordinarily allowable for length of service and/or disablement to Europeans in similar circumstances, plus the full rank element when permissible.
  3. The gratuity issuable on award of Good Conduct Medal to be ten pounds, instead of twenty pounds.

LG 1922 11 07
LS&GC Medal for LEPs, but no Gratuity
And whereas the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service preclude the award of the Naval Long Service and Good Conduct Medal to native ratings, other than Europeans, who first entered the Royal Navy on or after the 1st January, 1904:

And whereas we consider it desirable that the native ratings who are at present so debarred should be allowed to receive the Good Conduct Medal, as a mark of appreciation of long and faithful service:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council, to authorize us to award, at our discretion, the Naval Long Service and Good Conduct Medal, without gratuity, to those Native ratings whose records of service and character conform to the requirements of the Regulations governing the award of that Medal.


1926 02 05
Revised Rates of Pay for Seedies and Tindals
Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, of 12th January, 1926, (N. P. (2) 4414/1925), in the words following, viz. :

And whereas Your Majesty was graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council of the 11th October, 1921, to sanction a scale of pay for the Seedie Ratings of Your Majesty's Navy:

And whereas we consider it desirable that the pay of such of these ratings as serve in places where the rupee is current should be expressed in terms of they local currency instead of in sterling:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction payment of the rates of pay indicated in the attached Schedule to Seedie ratings serving on the East Indies Station and in other places in which the rupee is current.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

Schedule.

Seedies-Pay

To take effect from 1st February, 1926.

 

Pay.

 
 

Rate per diem

 
 

Minimum

Maximum

 
 

Rupees

Annas

Rupees.

Annas

 

Seedie

 

12

1

1

Rising by 1 anna per diem biennially.

2nd Tindal

1

2

1

4

Tindal

1

5

1

10

Head Tindal

1

11

1

14

Seedie Stoker

1

0

1

5

2nd Stoker Tindal

1

6

1

8

Stoker Tindal

1

9

1

14

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the :necessary directions herein accordingly
M. P. A. Hankey.


1931 06 05
Cape Boys - Pay
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 19th day of May, 1931.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 15th day of May, 1931 (N. 889/31), in the words following, viz. :

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted inter alia that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas we have substituted South African natives (Cape Boys) for the East African Native Seaman (Seedies) hitherto employed in certain of Your Majesty's ships and establishments on the Africa Station:

And whereas we consider it desirable to retain part of the pay of each of these South African natives, not exceeding one pound a month and to pay it to him through the Resident Magistrate on his return to his home:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction this system of deferred pay for these ratings.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M. P. A. Hankey.


1934 05 18
Seedies to be renamed Somalis
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 14th day of May, 1934.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 11th day of April, 1934 (N. 5797), in the words following, viz. :-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions and other allowances in the nature thereof, payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas Your Majesty was graciously pleased by Your Orders in Council of the 11th October, 1921, and the 1st February, 1926, to sanction scales of pay for the Seedie ratings of Your Majesty's Navy:

And whereas we are of opinion that the title of ‘Seedie' at present applied to these ratings is unsuitable, they being for the most part recruited from Somaliland:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the title of ‘Somali' being substituted for the present title of ‘Seedie '.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M. P. A. Hankey.


1936 07 28
Hospital Stoppages - Non-Europeans
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 24th day of July, 1936.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 21st day of July, 1936 (N. 5133/35), in the words following, viz. :-

Whereas by Section a of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted enter alia that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas by Order in Council dated the 20th day of December, 1935, the pay of Naval ratings, other than non-European natives, and of Royal Marines (other ranks) sent to hospital abroad with disabilities due to their own misconduct, carelessness or neglect, is subject to stoppages:

And whereas we are of opinion that the pay of non-European native ratings should similarly be subject to stoppages:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction hospital stoppages after the first 30 days in hospital for non-European native ratings who are sent to hospital with disabilities due to their own misconduct, carelessness or neglect, at rates and under conditions as we may from time to time determine.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
M. P. A. Hankey.


1938 12 23
Kroomen - Revised Rates of Pay
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 20th day of December, 1938.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 3rd day of December, 1938 (N. 7578/38), in the words following, viz. :-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas Order in Council of the 11th October, 1921, authorised certain revised basic rates of pay for Kroomen ratings of Your Majesty's Navy:

And whereas we are of opinion that the remuneration of those Kroomen who are borne solely for service in Your Majesty's Ships on the West Coast of Africa, should be increased to meet local conditions:

And whereas we further consider it desirable that the Kit Upkeep Allowance, Leave Allowance and Grog Money payable to these native ratings under existing regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Navy should be merged in such increased remuneration:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction the introduction of the consolidated rates of pay indicated in the annexed schedule.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals.

Schedule.

Kroomen Serving in H.M. Ships on the West Coast of Africa.

  Rate Per diem.
  s. d.
Krooman 2 0
Second Head Krooman 2 6
Head Krooman (except in Battleships or Cruisers) 3 0
Head Krooman (in Battleships or Cruisers) 3 4

The above rates to be inclusive of Kit Upkeep Allowance, Leave Allowance and Grog Money.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Rupert B. Howorth.


1941 06 10
LEPs - Rates of Pay
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 30th day of May, 1941.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 24th day of May, 1941 (N. 7808/41, in the words following, viz.:-

Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted inter alia that all pay, pensions or other allowances in the nature thereof payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or having been an Officer, Seaman or Marine therein shall be paid in such manner and subject to such restrictions, conditions and provisions as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:

And whereas the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service provide that, when natives are entered on foreign stations for local service, Commanders-in-Chief shall have discretion to fix their remuneration within the rates of pay authorised for corresponding naval ratings and having regard to the labour rates obtaining locally:

And whereas rates of pay for Somali and Kroomen ratings of Your Majesty's Navy were established by Orders in Council dated 11th October, 1921, 1st February, 1926, 14th May, 1934. and 20th December, 1938:

And whereas we consider that no exceptional authority should be required to establish or vary the rates of pay of Somalis or Kroomen and that we should assume discretionary power to do so under the aforesaid Regulations governing the pay of locally entered natives generally:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction, with retrospective effect to 1st June, 1940, the establishment and variation of scales of pay for Somalis and Kroomen at our discretion within the rates authorised for corresponding naval ratings.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.

And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Rupert B. Howorth.


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