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Submarine Pay / Allowance etc.

1910 01 18
Portsmouth Depot - Submarine Pay
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 10th day of January, 1910.

Present, The King’s Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, of 4th January, 1910, in the words following, viz.:-

Whereas by section three of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, etc.

And whereas we are of opinion that the Officer employed at Portsmouth Submarine Depot on experimental or instructional duties should, in consideration of his responsibilities, be granted an allowance of six shillings a day, as from the 1st April, 1909, for each day on which his duties have entailed or shall entail work under water:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction payment accordingly to him and his successors.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed. And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy.


1912 10 18
Submarine Pay whilst undergoing the qualifying course for the War Staff College.
And whereas by His late Majesty's Order in Council of 4th day of November, 1901, it is provided that Officers employed in the Submarine Service shall receive an allowance of 6s. a day:

And whereas such Officers are eligible for selection to undergo the qualifying course for appointment to the War Staff, during which period the allowance is not payable, although Officers qualified in Gunnery, Torpedo and Navigation continue to receive the allowances authorized for the performance of such duties while undergoing the course:

And whereas we are of opinion that Officers of the Submarine Service should receive an allowance in lieu of submarine allowance during this period:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to authorize us to pay to Officers of the Submarine Service an allowance equivalent to that received by fully qualified specialists in Gunnery, Torpedo and Navigation, viz., 4s. a day, while they are undergoing the qualifying course for appointment to the War Staff, to take effect from 11th April, 1912.


1913 02 18
Submarine Pay - Officers
And whereas an allowance at the rate of 6s. a day was authorized for Officers employed in Submarine Vessels by Order in Council of 4th November, 1901, no distinction being made between the various grades of Officers:

And whereas we are of opinion that this rate is excessive in the case of Officers below the rank of Lieutenant:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that from the first day of January, 1913, the rate of Submarine Allowance to Officers of the rank of Sub-Lieutenant and to Commissioned Warrant Officer's and Warrant Officers shall be 4s. a day.


1915 07 30
Submarine Pay - Chief Petty Officers
And whereas by Order in Council, bearing date the 4th day of November, 1901, provision was made for the payment of an allowance to Ratings selected for the Submarine Service :

And whereas we consider it desirable that the Submarine Allowance payable to men employed in Submarines, and holding a Chief Petty Officer Rating, should be increased from 2s. 6d. a day to 3s. for the period from the 12th April, 1915, to the conclusion of Hostilities :

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to approve the increased rate accordingly.


1915 07 30
Submarine Pay - Junior Ratings
And whereas by Order in Council, bearing date the 4th day of November, 1901, provision was made for the payment of an allowance to men holding Ratings of and above Able Seaman selected for service in Submarine Vessels :

And whereas we now consider it necessary to employ in Submarine Vessels Ratings inferior to Able Seaman or its equivalent :

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the following scale of allowances, viz.: -

  • Ordinary Seaman and equivalent Ratings - 1s. 6d. a day,
  • Boys - 0s. 9d. a day,

with retrospective effect to cover payment where these Ratings have recently been so employed.


1917 09 25
Establishment of Non-substantive Rating of Submarine Coxswains
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 24th day of September, 1917.

Present, The King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.

Whereas there was this day read at the Board a Memorial from the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, dated the 1st day of September, 1917, in the words following, viz.:-

Whereas by section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, etc.

And whereas we have had under consideration the necessity of employing qualified men to carry out the responsible duties of Coxswain of Submarines

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the establishment, as from the 25th July, 1917, of the non-substantive Rating of Submarine Coxswain, with pay at the rate of 7d. per diem; the Rating to be open to the Chief Petty Officer or Petty Officer employed as Coxswain in each Submarine or Submarine Spare Crew at our discretion as considered necessary.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in this proposal.

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed. And the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty are to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.
Almeric FitzRoy.


1923 02 20
War Staff Course - Submarine Pay reduced
And whereas Your Majesty was graciously pleased by Your Order in Council 11 October, 1912, to authorize us to pay to Officers of the Submarine Service as allowance of 4s. a day in lieu of Submarine Allowance while they are undergoing the qualifying course for appointment to the War Staff, but no provision for the continuance of this allowance was made in Your Majesty's Order in Council of 22 January, 1920, which sanctioned revised rates of pay for Officers of the Royal Navy:

And whereas Officers of the Submarine Service who volunteer for the War Staff course are normally, in receipt of Submarine Allowance at the rate of 6s. a day, and we consider it undesirable that they should be required to surrender the whole of this allowance if selected to undergo the War Staff course:

We beg leave humbly to recommend. that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council, to sanction with effect from 18th January, 1923, the payment to Officers of the Submarine Service of an allowance of 4s. a day in lieu of Submarine Allowance while they are undergoing the qualifying course for War Staff duties.


1923 11 30
Submarine Pay for Admiralty Staffs
And whereas the payment of Submarine Allowance was approved by Order in Council dated the 4th November, 1901, the rates being subsequently modified by Your Majesty's Orders in Council of 28th July, 1915, 22nd January, 1920, 13th October, 1920, and the 12th March, 1923:

And whereas we are of opinion that the grant of Submarine Allowance should be extended at our discretion to Officers serving at the Admiralty who may be required to, embank in Submarines:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to sanction the payment, at our discretion, to Officers on the Admiralty Staff, above the rank of Sub-Lieutenant and below the rank of Captain, who are in receipt of Admiralty Allowance, of an additional allowance of 2s. per diem for each day on which they are required to serve at sea in a submarine, with effect from the 11th May, 1922.


1924 01 18
Submarine Pay for Warrant Rank
And whereas Your Majesty was graciously pleased by Your Order in Council of 12 March, 1923, to sanction revised rates of allowances for officers and men serving in. the Submarine Service:

And whereas we consider it desirable in the interests of Your Majesty's Naval Service that the rates of Submarine Allowance payable to Warrant Officers and Commissioned Officers from Warrant Rank serving in submarines should be improved:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to approve the revised rates of allowance for Warrant Officers and Commissioned Officers from Warrant Rank set forth in the accompanying Schedule, with effect from 19th November, 1923.

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals.

Schedule.

Submarine Allowances to be granted to Warrant Officers and Commissioned Officers from Warrant Rank serving in the Submarine Service, as follows:

      Per day,
payable continuously.
 

s.

d.

s.

d.

Officers forming part crews of Submarines

   

3

9

 

For each day at sea in Submarine.

For each day not at sea in Submarine.

Officers appointed to Submarine Depot Ships for Duty Class II with Submarines, i.e., Officers who have certain duties with Flotillas which are not considered to justify payment of the continuous allowances shown below for Officers appointed for Duty Class I, and Officers not appointed for Submarine Duty when actually at sea in Submarines

3

9

Nil

Officers appointed to Submarine Depot Ships for Duty Class I with Submarines

3

9

2

6

Officers forming part of spare crews

3

9

2

6

Officers undergoing Periscope Course

3

9

2

6

Officers under training

3

9

Nil

His Majesty, having taken the said Memorial into consideration, was pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to approve of what is therein proposed.


1924 05 30
Submarine Allowance for Commanding Officers
And whereas Your Majesty was graciously pleased by Your Order in Council of 12 March, 1923, to sanction revised rates of submarine allowance for Officers and men employed in the Submarine Service and to provide that submarine allowances to Officers forming part of the crew should be payable continuously at the full rates to those below the rank of Captain, but, for Captains, should be payable only when they are appointed in command:

And whereas Captains are sometimes actually in command of new submarines prior to the vessels commissioning although they are not appointed in command until the date of commissioning:

And whereas we consider that no distinction should be made in the regulations governing the issue of the appropriate allowance to Captains and Officers of other ranks actually serving as part crew of new submarines as from the date of commencement of trials prior to commissioning:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to direct that, as from the 24th August, 1923, a Captain actually in command of a new submarine prior to commissioning although not so appointed, may receive continuous payment of submarine allowance at the full rate as from the date of commencement of trials.


1924 10 14
Submarine Pay to Ratings who do not belong to the Submarine Service
And whereas the payment of Submarine Allowance was approved by Order in Council dated the 4th November, 1901, the rates being subsequently modified by Your Majesty's Order in Council dated the 12th March, 1923:

And whereas we consider that Submarine Allowance at the higher rate should be granted to Ratings who do not belong to the Submarine Service for each day spent at sea in a submarine:

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by your Order in Council, to sanction the payment of Submarine Allowance at the higher rate to Ratings who do not belong to the Submarine Service, for each day spent at sea in a submarine, with effect from the 12th March, 1923.


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