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1907 - Seamen and Communications Branches - Rates of Substantive and Non-Substantive Pay and Re-organisation

Establishment of the Wireless Telegraph Branch

The rating of Petty Officer, 2nd Class, to be abolished

The title of "Trained Man" as a distinctive Non-Substantive rating to be abolished.

Physical Training Instructor

LG 1907 08 23
And whereas we have had under consideration the rules governing the service of the petty officers and seamen of Your Majesty's Navy, and we are of opinion that the qualifications of and distribution of work among the various ratings required to meet modern conditions render it desirable to modify in certain respects the existing titles and rates of pay :

And whereas we are also of opinion the development of wireless telegraphy in Your Majesty's Fleet necessitates the establishment of a separate class of Wireless Telegraph Operators as distinct from the visual Signalling Branch of Your Majesty's Navy :

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to sanction the titles, rates of pay and general provisions set forth in the annexed schedule ; the alterations contained therein to come into force on the first day of October, one thousand nine hundred and seven, and their introduction to be effected gradually with due regard to existing rights, power being reserved to us to vary the rates of pay within the scales laid down or to associate payment with such conditions as we may from time to time deem necessary

The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals.

Schedule.

1. The rating of Petty Officer, 2nd Class, in the several branches to be abolished and appointments after thirtieth September, one thousand nine hundred and seven, which under existing regulations would confer that rating to be to the actual or relative rank of Leading Seaman.

The following titles and scales of pay to be adopted for the classes specified:

Substantive Ratings
Seaman Class.

Pay

Continuous Service.

Per diem.

 

s.

d.
Boy, 2nd Class

0

6
Boy, 1st Class

0

7
Ordinary Seaman

1

3
A.B.

1

8
Leading Seaman

1

10
Leading Seaman after 3 years, if passed for Petty Officer

2

0
Petty Officer

2

8
Petty Officer After 3 years

2

10
Petty Officer After 6 years

3

0
Chief Petty Officer 3

4

Chief Petty Officer after 3 years 3

8

Chief Petty Officer after 6 years 4

0

Sailmaker's Mate 2

1

Sailmaker 2

6

Non-Continuous Service.

  s. d.
Ordinary Seaman 1 1
A.B. 1 5
Leading Seaman 1 7

Signal Class.

  s. d.
Signal Boy 0 7
Ordinary Signalman 1 3
Signalman 1 11
Leading Signalman 2 1
Leading Signalman After 3 years as such, if passed for Yeoman of Signals 2 3
Yeoman of Signals 3 0
Yeoman of Signals After 3 years as such 3 3
Yeoman of Signals After 6 years as such 3 6
Chief Yeoman of Signals 3 10
Chief Yeoman of Signals After 3 years as such 4 2
Chief Yeoman of Signals After 6 years as such 4 6

Wireless Telegraphy Class.

  s. d.
Boy Telegraphist 0 7
Ordinary Telegraphist 1 3
Telegraphist 1 11
Leading Telegraphist 2 1
Leading Telegraphist After 3 years as such, if passed for Petty Officer Telegraphist 2 3
Petty Officer Telegraphist 3 0
Petty Officer Telegraphist After 3 years as such 3 3
Petty Officer Telegraphist After 6 years as such 3 6
Chief Petty Officer Telegraphist 3 10
Chief Petty Officer Telegraphist After 3 years as such 4 2
Chief Petty Officer Telegraphist After 6 years as such 4 6

[The following, from the London Gazette of 6 March 1908, replaces that originally published in the 23 Aug 1907]

And whereas Your Majesty was graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council dated the twelfth day of August, one thousand nine hundred and seven, to sanction certain changes being made in the titles, rates of pay and conditions of service of the Petty Officers and Seamen of Your Majesty's Navy:

And whereas we are of opinion that further modifications are necessary in respect of the allowances for gunnery and torpedo, and in regard to the application to men in the Service of the regulations abolishing re-engaged pay.

We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased by Your Order in Council to approve of the regulations set forth in the annexed Schedule, to come into force as from the first day of, October, one thousand nine hundred and seven, and to be substituted for those contained in sections 2 and 3 of the Schedule attached to the before-mentioned Order in Council.

Schedule

Non-Substantive Ratings

  Gunnery

Pay per diem.

  Substantive ratings eligible.
    s. d.
Seaman Gunner A.B.'s and Leading Seamen 0 3
Gunlayer, 3rd Class A.B.'s and all higher ratings 0 2 *
Gunlayer, 2nd Class A.B.'s and all higher ratings 0 6 *
Gunlayer, 1st Class All ratings above A.B. 0 8 *
Gunner's Mate All ratings above A.B. 0 8 *

* A.B.'s and Leading Seamen also to draw S.G. pay.

Gunners' Mates may also hold rating of Gunlayer, 1st Class, or Gunlayer, 2nd Class.

The title of "Trained Man" as a distinctive Non-Substantive rating to be abolished.

Gunnery pay of 1d. a day to be payable to Coast Guard men in lieu of the allowance as

"Trained Man" under similar conditions to those governing the latter allowance. See Link re introduction of Trained Man in 1860.

  Torpedo

Pay per

Diem

  Substantive ratings eligible.
    s. d.
Seaman Torpedo Man A.B.'s and Leading Seamen

0

3

Leading Torpedo Man A.B.'s and all higher ratings

0

6 *

Torpedo Coxswain Petty and Chief Petty Officers whether Gunnery or Torpedo

0

7

Torpedo Gunner's Mate

All ratings above Able Seaman

Petty Officers and Chief Petty Officers

0

1

8 *

4

A.B.'s and Leading Seamen also to draw S.T. pay.

The number to receive this rate to be regulated so as to be in the same proportion approximately as the Gunners' Mates holding rating of Gunlayer 1st Class to total number of Gunners' Mates.

Physical Training.

 

Pay per diem.

  Substantive ratings eligible
    s. d.
Physical Training Instructor, 2nd Class All ratings above A.B. 0 3
Physical Training Instructor, 1st Class All ratings above A.B. 0 6
Staff Physical Training Instructor Petty and Chief Petty Officers 0 10.
Senior Staff Physical Training Instructor   1 2

Physical Training Instructors other than Staff and Senior Staff Instructors may hold and receive pay for Gunnery and Torpedo Ratings as follows:-

Petty Officer Gunlayer, 2nd or 3rd Class.
Leading Seaman
S.G. in addition
S.T. in addition
ditto

Signalling.

All Non-Substantive Signal Ratings to be gradually abolished, except in the case of men serving in the Coast Guard.

Re-engaged Pay

The issue of re-engaged pay under Article 1429, King's Regulations and Admiralty Instructions, 1906, to be abolished, except as regards men who entered the Service before 1st October, 1907.

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